You might have heard that a letter written by Albert Einstein to a Jewish philosopher, Eric Gutkind, was up for auction at eBay. Carta de Einstein sobre Deus: Um ano antes de morrer, o célebre físico 3 de janeiro de , uma carta ao filósofo judeu Eric B. Gutkind, expressando sua. A handwritten letter by Albert Einstein rejecting religion has been auctioned for German in response to the work of the philosopher Eric Gutkind.
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Note that in the comments several readers point out inaccuracies in the translations I took from other sources. You might have heard that a letter written by Albert Einstein to a Jewish philosopher, Eric Gutkind, was up for auction at eBay.
Its importance it that it dispels the myth, once and for all, that Einstein was religious. Eric Gazin, president of Auction Cause, the online auction management agency handling the eBay sale, said as far as gutknd knows the London auction was the first time the letter had gone up se sale.
You also get great exposure. A larger image of the letter, which is written in German, is here. The Biblical Call to Revolt ], and thank you very much for sending it einstrin me. What especially struck me about it was this. With regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community gutkinv have a great deal in common. No interpretation no matter how subtle can for me change this.
These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text.
Carta de Dios
For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew.
As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one.
And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. Well, that settles that. Now maybe the faithful will catch on.
But that is not at all the point of demonstrating that Einstein did not believe in a god.
By doing so we can point out that they are. This letter will change nothing, I promise you, within the authoritarian enclaves. They are important gktkind they demonstrate that the argument is bad at several different levels, providing additional evidence that people who tender this argument are ignorant, mislead or disingenuous.
In short I think making the other points is tactically advantageous. Doing so is not likely to improve your odds of changing the mind of the person you are arguing with, but then again that is highly unlikely no matter what you say.
But I think doing so gufkind be very useful for demonstrating to bystanders, some of who your arguments may have eeic affect on, that your opponent is not credible. But you seem to be fixated to the point where nothing else matters to you. You seem to attribute the ability to see that your point should be the only relevant one to those who have least demonstrated the ability to do so, the religious apologists who make the kind of crappy arguments we are discussing here.
Even if believers are just as likely to be persuaded by the point you are fixated on as any other points of failure, it still makes sense to use them all because of all the variables involved. I know I am not the best at explaining things but eistein rereading several times it does not seem possible that you could not understand that I understand your point.
Which you have stated is the only important point. Why should we allow people who would discredit us and malign our non-belief to paint reality any way that suits dr They use lies to gather additional support for their angry and ignorant way of looking at the world that is in direct opposition to those cata us who understand and promote science.
We have to point out that they lie to warn the gullible not to cartta everything they hear from the theocrats and other nutty believers. It was never that hard to figure out what he thought that we should imagine that they are victims of an honest mistake.
Sure, aunt Edna really might not know, but anyone who is in the business of talking or writing about religion has no excuse. They are simply liars to spread this false idea about Einstein. I think it can be significant, not because it matters what Einstein believed, but because it reveals the character of the people who stoop to such lies.
And being lied to is an argument everyone understands. As a young man, I knew when I heard Christian physicists and engineers say such things about Einstein that they must have known better but they decided to say the falsehood anyway. Just as they must have known better than to invoke the 2nd law of thermodynamics against evolution, but they did it any way. Thanks for saying it better than I could. That is exactly one guttkind the points I was trying to sneak up on but failed miserably to communicate in my response to Icthyic above.
In that sense character assessment I find it worse than someone making an argument from authority, and it definitely seems important to me. I think it does matter what he believed. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But his successes far outweigh his gutlind. You make everything complicated. Obviously, Berman eisntein the old mythology that Einstein supported e.
Fabulous article on the evolution of penguins in this November Scientific American, by the way. Recent fossil finds, and all that. Penguins preceded and survived the K-T extinction event. Reblogged this on Neff’sStudio — Blogs and commented: Yes, Christians, Einstein was an atheist.
Actually, it is my information that Einstein once denied being an atheist. At various times in his life, he might be described as a Deist, a pantheist, or an agnostic. However, I would point out that, by when the letter was written, his mental faculties were fast fading.
The physicist Julian Schwinger recounts being introduced to Einstein and finding him quite confused. Somewhere online a native German speaker claimed that there is no such phrase in the original German letter. Is there anyone here who speaks German and who can confirm or disconfirm this? The translator simply made it up. Thank you all for clarifying that. Does the rest of the translation seem honest? Though the mistakes, if such, are disturbing.
There seems to be a persistent bias in the translation. Like in his early papers on physics, he uses rich, illustrative terms for even the most abstract concepts. That quality erix largely missing from the translation.
Primitivenot childish. Einstein writes dinstein the dignitynot the quality of the Jewish people:. I have also tried to contact the people responsible for the auction of the letter on e-bay, well before it was sold. I would have thought e-bay would have changed the translation in order to avoid a lawsuit afterwards.
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So far I have only managed to have the article in The Atlantic updated. I am more than willing to believe that the bloggers have not yet had the time to verify the errors in this translation which appears to be the default translation. It is a shame that it should be so difficult to correct objective errors of this nature and it is a shame that people do not process information of this kind with more skepticism.
You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. The caveat is, of course, that this translation too may be incorrect.
df Does anyone have access to this Urdokument? Sorry for the duplication, Jerry asked I posted this edited version of my e-mail in the thread.
I have removed the names of the famous science people einsteih avoid any embarrassment. I do not wish to inconvenience you too much. I just wanted to point out a rather relevant einsfein recent error in:. All emphasis below is mine. This translation, as Rudolf Root one of the commenters on the website of the Atlantic pointed out, is incorrect. The corresponding translation WikiQuote on Wikiquote. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power.
A quick Google search reveals that this meme has spread beyond description. The earliest occurrence is, as far as I can tell, EarliestGoogleIndex, I understand that a number of religious people will consider this revelation to be evidence of a fundamental dishonesty in the movement of Atheism.
This is nonsense, of course. I think it is reasonable to assume that, even in the worst case, only one fantastically hubristic? And everyone who has, afterwards, regurgitated this translation is to be blamed for having lazily copied of this unfortunate mutation, and for nothing else. I humbly suggest we show this particular subset of the population that we value the fundamental principles of Science: After all, we have no need for dishonesty, intentional or otherwise, to support our case and our cause.
Since there is no hope of me contacting the thousands of webpages with the incorrect quotes, I am counting on you, three of the leading Science writers, to attempt to rectify the situation. I will be very thankful if you choose to do so. I imagine interested buyers would want to know that the content of the letter does not conform to what is presented in any of crata press releases.
Einstein says we can retain respect for the best moral and spiritual values that some religion has offered in the past, and be thankful for it, but we pretty much have to discard all the the fables and parables for which they have been a vehicle.